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This is a discussion to a believer in the 'oneness theory' The doctrine of oneness is believing that Jesus is also the Father. One of the verses they are underlying is in Isaiah 9:6. I told him that I begin with Isaiah 9:6 and connect the words of the prophets and will end in Daniel 12:1 Remember in Isaiah 9:6 is saying that a child born which means rising, growing and the standing of the anointed prince of God.
Isaiah 9:6,7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us is given a son, and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 The increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish, and to uphold justice and righteousness from now until forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts.
But we raise the reading in verse 2 to 5
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light.
3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased their joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as on the day of Midian.
5 For all the armor of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
Why the people that walked in darkness have seen a great light in verse 2? Read the reason "For"
Verse 4: When will the yoke of burden and yoke on the shoulders of the people of Israel be break? It can be read in Jeremiah 30:8
Jeremiah 30:7,8,9,21
7 Ay! for that day is great, that none is like it: even the time of trouble of Jacob, but he saved it.
8 And in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds, and that he serve no more strangers:
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord, neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity, and the Jacob shall return, and be quiet and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
21 And their prince shall be one of them, and their ruler shall proceed from the midst of them , and I will cause him, and he shall come unto me: for those who dared to approach me? says.
Whom come from the prince, David? From the captives of Babylon. What Babylon? In Revelation. Is there a David arose during Babylon (Iraq)? None, only symbols like Cyrus and Zerubbabel. Is the great day (verse 7) when time of trouble that is none like it occured?
When the great day of Jehovah come shall there be more after that?
Joel 2:1,2
1 Blow the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land for the day of Jehovah cometh, for it is
2 day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and darkness, as the dawn spread upon the mountains: a great and strong, never had ever the like, neither shall there be any more after that, until the years of many generations.
It shall never happen again. Just back Jeremiah 30:7
Mark 13:19
19 For the days shall be affliction, such as was not since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and neither shall be.
What is the Lord said about affliction not been from the beginning and neither shall be? Note: not ever been before and will not ever happen again. Back again in Jeremiah 30:7,8,9,10,21
Daniel 12:1
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up , the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there will be times of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be written in the book.
When it is said by Gabriel to Daniel, Israel was in the capture of Babylon (Iraq)
If it never was since there was a nation, the times of trouble, this match in Mark 13:19 and Joel 2:2, because if one occurs, not be correct to say "never not happened yet" and " nevermore "
Others may say I made Isaiah 9:6,7 magic I will fail if I will not end in Daniel 12:1 we read Isaiah 10:26,27
Isaiah 10:26,27 (see beginning to figure out what time is "in that day")
26 And the Lord will raise up armies, the evil against him, as the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and his rod was upon the sea, and he raised after the manner of Egypt.
27 And in that day, that his burden depart from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of fatness.
This (verse 26) is parallel with Isaiah 9:4 when the release of the captives of "Babylon" will occur. From Isaiah 10:26,27 continue to chapter 11:1,2
Isaiah 11:1,2
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch from his roots:
2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord;
The conjuction word " and " means continuity of chapter 10 to Isaiah 11:1,2. Who is the Branch?
Jeremiah 33:15,16
15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up to David : and he shall execute justice and righteousness in the land .
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is his name shall be called: The Lord our righteousness.
Jeremiah 23:5,6
5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch , and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land .
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and his name shall be called to him, The Lord our righteousness.
Also match in Daniel 12:1
Daniel 12:1
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up , the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there will be times of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be written in the book.
Archangel Michael is determined by the prophets as righteous Branch according to what we read. Let's go back and read from Isaiah 9:1-7 and read from Isaiah 8:22 because it was joint statement of God, it is separated only by chapter. When we study carefully, the statement of God in Isaiah 8 (verse 22) to Isaiah 9 is not seperate. There are may kind of seperation of statements of God through division of chapter and titles. For those familiar what is saying in Isaiah 8:22 the same prophecy can be read in Zephaniah 1:15 and same as in Daniel 12:1
Isaiah 8:22
22 And they shall look unto the earth, and behold trouble and darkness, gloom of anguish, and darkness will expel them.
Zephaniah 1:15
15 The day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and anguish, a day of wasting and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and darkness,
Zephaniah (1:15) were matched with Daniel 12:1 and the verses we read.
I use this verse, because just in case you use Revelation 5:5 and Revelation 22:16
New International Version (© 1984)
Plural while I was with, I protected Plural Plural and kept safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. John 17:12
Now, unless you want to use Revelation 5:5 I will use against you (oneness believer). Let's read Revelation 5:6,7
Revelation 5:6,7
6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and the four living creatures, and among the elders, a Lamb standing, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent across the land.
7 And he came, and took the book to the right hand of him that sat on the throne.
Do not you believe that Jesus is also the Father, now, who sits on the throne the Lamb approached? Higher than Father?
A similar prophecy can be read in the book of Daniel.
Daniel 7:13,14
13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And he gave him power and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
In Revelation, (the Lamb) received the sealed book. In Daniel, accepted the authority. Therefore, the receving of the sealed book means receiving authority.
In a similar question, who is seated on the throne approached by the like a son of man? Revelation 5:5 we read, who is the Root of David?
Revelation 5:5
5 And he said to me one of the elders, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book and the seven seals thereof.
Revelation 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.
How did Jesus himself is the Father and also the Son? So how the doctrine of oneness was correct? Their belief is false. But I also believe that Jesus himself is the Father, but Michael is the Son. Now, if there is teaching that says Jesus is Michael, together we please. I say now, Michael is not Jesus. As I said, Jesus was not actually Jesus and David is not really David. Let us read the fact that coincide with the vision of Daniel in Daniel chapter 7 and John in Revelation 5
Daniel 7:10
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him : the judgments were set, and the books were opened.
Revelation 5:11
11 And I saw, and heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders: and the number of them are ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands ;
Do the Lamb accepted power?
Revelation 5:12
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.
Daniel 7:14
14 And he gave him power and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
Why the kingdom shall not be destroyed? Because the enemies are blind.
I have explanations about the book of Daniel. Please review it.
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In another version in English the mention was "commander" of host Daniel 8:11 , but the version of the article use the commander used the prince of princes in verse 25 (explanation of Gabriel). Therefore, the commander of host / army is prince of princes. Daniel 8:10 to Revelation 12:4 are parallel and war in heaven and they are same event. Therefore, Michael, commander of the army and the prince of princes to fight the fourth beast of Daniel 8 and is the devil in Revelation 12.
Now if the version used is God's Word should be read in Daniel 11:22 is referring to is "prince." Determine the time, it will be at the time of coming of Archangel Michael. The time of the event written in Daniel 11 (verse 22) and Daniel 8 are the same.
According to the reasoning of a believer in the "oneness" to me, he said, the Archangel Michael said not he was coming back. Shall Michael need to speak? the words of the Son of God is in the bible.
John 17:8
8 for the words you gave me I have given them , and they accepted, and have known surely that I came to you, and believed that you sent me.
John 14:3
3 And if I go and prepare a place, I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.
We will know why the Father and the Son are one.
John 17:20,21
20 Not only do they pray, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word ;
21 That they all may be one , that as thou, Father, art in me , and I in thee , that they also be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The Father unite with the Son and the Son unite with the Father. The Father as the Son and the Son as the Father, the Lord Jesus as the Archangel Michael and the Archangel Michael as the Lord Jesus. So the "war in heaven" written in the book of Revelation is not really fight of Michael but of God. To understand more what I say. Remember this: The Archangel Michael is the fulfillment of the coming of the Lord Jesus . Jesus is not Michael, but Michael is the fulfillment as Jesus at his coming. We have patterns that the coming of the Lord God will be fulfilled at the coming of his Son.
Isaiah 40:10
10 Behold, the Lord God will come as a mighty, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him.
Revelation 22:12,13,16
12 Behold, I come quickly: and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his work.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
16 I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David , the bright morning star.
Matthew 16:27
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then give every man according to his works.
John 6:19
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself but what he seeth the Father do : for all the things he did, the these also doeth the Son likewise.
Please read the following to find out who the Son of man coming. Is the book of Daniel in chapter 7 saying that the one which received power is the Archangel Michael?
Prince of the Host
The Girl and The Baby
War in Heaven ...
Building the Temple
PS
According to my study, in Revelation chapter 4 and 5, this is the "great white throne judgment." which false prophets saying. It is also in Daniel 7.
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